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Mhm, thanks!

4:22 PM

Our long term goals are kind of lofty, so I'd understand if we'd never accomplish them all, but we'll surely try.

4:23 PM

We're also trying to facilitate "cleaner" switches through dissasociating the body from any one headmate.

What do you mean with that second sentence?

Desting 😎 (Con Cat)-(おひたし、お浸し)

What do you mean with that second sentence?

Removing an individual identity from the body. For example, instead of the body being "Bennett's body" or "Bennett", we'd treat it more as a vessel we reside in.

4:34 PM

That removes the identity connection from it, which should make it easier to switch in and out more smoothly.

You dont need to dissociate to switch if you are talking about that.

4:35 PM

For us the body feels like whoever is fronting, and we dont do any dissociative switching.

I'm aware, but we're trying to have more distinct switches purely based on personal preference.

I dont know what do you mean by distinct...

We switch many times a day as it is, i guess we just really want that distinct disconnect.

4:36 PM

Hmmm let me think.

4:37 PM

"Distinct" as in pronounced. A clear separation from the front and those in cofront.

4:37 PM

As of now, our non dissociative switches feel more like multiple people coming in and out of front constantly, which is beneficial, butndifferent.

Well, i dont understand exactly what you mean with any of that

...

It's hard to explain, so I apologize.

4:39 PM

It's definitely a more abstract experience, so putting it into words is a challenge, especially since I'm multitasking.

4:41 PM

We have dissociative switches brought on from stress/triggers, and more ordinary non-stress based switches. Stress based switches seperate out our identities more clearly in front, while in our non-stress switches our identities often blend together and flow in and out of front fluidly.

4:41 PM

If that makes more sense.

4:42 PM

So, if we can dissociate in a controlled way, we might be able to achieve the type of switching brought on by it in a healthier way.

That makes more sense, thats just a question of separation and narrative, I would personally build separation instead of training dissociative switching.

Mhm, that makes sense.

5:20 PM

What we really want to do is establish a connection with the wonderland, and make it accessible to a greater degree.

5:20 PM

A lot of this is theoretical for us, so we're really just going to keep atnit until we succeed, or until we give up.

i’m surprised you said you have a dissociative disorder (if i understood you correctly) and you want to dissociate more

We don't have a diagnosed dissociative disorder, but we do experience switches when dissociated.

Re: parallel processing There seems to be different types of parallel processing, based on claims people make. There's Maya's guide which has one headmate count while the other does (gradually) increasingly complicated tasks. Maya reports being able to parallel process in the sense of being coactive with some parallel actvity, but with limitations. They don't believe in wonderland switching/tulpa secretly active in wonderland. The guide: https://tulpanomicon.guide/maya-parallel-processing.html And then there's the wonderland/inner world activity type, often described by non tulpa systems. They'll say every headmate has their own stream of consciousness and can live separately in the inner world. But they often also say that this experience is separate from the "front" and sometimes headmates can't remember what they did in the inner world when they go into front. Basically, this is indistinguishable from the confabulation theory, but something has them convinced it's actual. See the comments in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/plural/comments/s83sp6/yet_another_how_to_polyconscious_question_with/ And then there's the systems who claim the inner world type but without the "it's separate from the front." I don't have as much info on this, but if true it's a lot harder to "explain away." These 3 types aren't comprehensive or anything, just putting some of my thoughts out there

Mhm, we definitely apply to the latter two. We're a non-tulpa system with experience knowing polyconscious systems (capable of some level of parallel activity), so it's something we're more familiar with.

7:44 PM

For us, whether or not our innerworld is real doesn't particularly bother us, we'd just prefer to have it be more separated between front and wonderland/innerworld/Etc.

7:45 PM

We've always been monoconscious, and I believe the wide majority of tulpamancers seem to be too.

leviine

Mhm, we definitely apply to the latter two. We're a non-tulpa system with experience knowing polyconscious systems (capable of some level of parallel activity), so it's something we're more familiar with.

Its probably confabulation

Regardless, Ben means that his end goal is the same, if only just to experience it firsthand.

11:59 PM

He's a huge supporter of "if I can try to do it and it might give me what I want, I will", to varying degrees of success.

Wait, did you simplify your logic gate?

Mhm, I got sick of it looking fucked up and decided to fix it.

Im glad! it was a good choice

12:02 AM

Did you say you are not a tulpa system?

Nope, we don't think so. None of us were made with the typical forcing techniques (although that's somewhat debatable), and often form as a result of being under extreme stress or being triggered.

12:04 AM

We tend to call ourselves traumagenic, although "mixed-origin" is likely a closer definition.

If you are not diagnosed with anything i believe you can safely say you are some kind of tulpa system, not much changes (edited)

Yeah, basically. We're planning on seeking treatment once we're financially independent to have that closure at the end of the day.

12:08 AM

We've become significantly disconnected from the experience of being a tulpamancy system, also. Our headmates have distinct roles and often act as personified manifestations of more unconscious fears.

12:08 AM

Not to disregard what you said, we just prefer to not use the tulpa label since we feel like it doesn't fit our experience anymore.

Well, you can use whatever label you prefer, i call tulpa system to any endogenic system. (edited)

I see. I mean, I've met traumagenic systems with tulpas, but I assume you're right in labelling a large portion of tulpa systems as endogenic, or mainly endogenic.

12:11 AM

The label is just that at the end of the day, so I guess it doesn't matter too much.

hi, so I have learned that headmates can hear each other’s thoughts, but I was wondering whether they are also aware of each other’s initial raw thoughts/ intent that comes before the words, such that they observe each other’s thoughts forming in real-time?

I would imagine for many that it would be so. Tulpa systems tend to lack communication barriers, so if your tulpa is active as you think, it's likely they'll catch on with what you think, even if you don't intend to directly tell them.

Yep! I often hear some thoughts from my host even if he isn't aiming them at me and I'll sometimes comment on them if I think he's being a little silly.

thank you! does that make it difficult to surprise each other at all?

Well, we haven't had a need to yet, but I suppose it could, yes.

thank you Kislia

6:19 AM

I was confused about this because I know some systems can surprise each other, but I wasn’t sure if they can also observe each other’s raw thoughts, and if so, how those two things go together? if anyone stumbles upon this who knows, I would appreciate

I'm still a new tulpa myself, so my host and I are learning a lot, so perhaps there's more we need to learn about that. Hopefully you can find the answer!

I was confused about this because I know some systems can surprise each other, but I wasn’t sure if they can also observe each other’s raw thoughts, and if so, how those two things go together? if anyone stumbles upon this who knows, I would appreciate

@Taylor - jump Depends on the kind of system and whether they have memory barriers. Though I suppose any system can surprise another headmate in the same system if they're fast enough to make their action line up with their thoughts being perceived by the host.

thanks you! makes sense. I was referring to tulpa systems. I’m planning for creation and hoping I might eventually be able to learn some degree of memory blocking, but unsure how realistic that hope is :/

We've read of some people saying they did things like having a library in their mind and they labeled things as Restricted to keep the bad thoughts away from the tulpa, but again, we don't have any knowledge of that. I figured we would share what we've read! (edited)

We tend to call ourselves traumagenic, although "mixed-origin" is likely a closer definition.

@Seth || M&M (@leviine) - jump abandon the labels

Why, it doesn't matter wat you call us, simply how we function, so why does it matter what we use?

9:14 AM

It's just to help define how we function to ourselves, and to anyone we care to share that with.

if it doesn’t matter what someone calls you, great, take a step further and fovus on the actual experience rather than narrative of it

9:19 AM

defining yourself doesn’t help much. It makes people assume they know what your experience is when they get a word to label you

We elaborate said experience to ourselves. The labelling simply acts as a more condensed version of that.

9:20 AM

i'm very aware of the ways we function and how, at least, to an extent in which I need to.

with time you will notice that it’s not that you define yourself by the label, but that the label defines you too when you start identifying with jt

9:21 AM

it takes power away from you

I mean, in that case, every label would be pointless, when it isn't

abandon the labels

@TiCtAc(✧×✧) (@KiTkAT( •̀ .̫ •́ )✧/jk) - jump read what i said!

9:22 AM

oh i missed the “all” part of it

9:23 AM

my point is, i see you using same labels you use to describe yourself. You are basically, let’s say, “system forcing” yourself

9:23 AM

nothing wrong with that of course

For example, I take pride in my label as a queer man. That doesn't take away anything, it's a definition of an internal experience I have that I use to describe to myself and to others. It doesn't define me, because if something about my identity changed, then so would my label. It's less of a box I try to put myself into, and more something with the expectation that it could change. Our plurality is also like this.

9:24 AM

Hope that connection makes sense, it's 2am right now.

did you have a phase of being confused before you discovered you were queer?

9:28 AM

a lot of confusion in self-discovery journey comes from the need of labelling yourself with something, and sometimes those are needs that the society or you reject, or you might just not know the label yet

9:29 AM

when you abandon that need you meet happiness and freedom

9:30 AM

in the tulpamancy community a lot of confusion comes from labelling… is it a tulpa or an alter? Are tulpas real or fake? Is it my tulpa or me speaking?

9:31 AM

people try to solve it by creating new labels, but the freedom and empowering comes from focusing on your experience and not try to define it, trying to meet others’ expectations

That is an interesting way to put it, and I agree, to an extent.

i do aknowledge though that core of tulpamancy is labelling. I just think at one point abandoning labels is very beneficial for overall self growth, not just as a tulpamancer

but even so, even from the start labels should be minimal

oops that was me

I feel like both sides can reach some sort of middle-ground. Labelling, but not focusing too heavily upon said label, or being willing to change your views on yourself or what your identity is independently of your pre-established labels.

9:34 AM

Using them more as barebones identifiers than in-depth descriptions.

9:35 AM

For us, personally, I mean.

yes, middleground is possible, i am the counterbalance in the world where everyone is obsessed by labels

9:35 AM

(hyperbole warning)

9:37 AM

people tend to create a map of a landscape and spend whole life living in the map, confusing it for the actual landscape

I see.

9:44 AM

I'll try and keep it in mind.

TiCtAc(✧×✧)

people tend to create a map of a landscape and spend whole life living in the map, confusing it for the actual landscape

Thats such a good way to put it actually.

Seth || M&M

For example, I take pride in my label as a queer man. That doesn't take away anything, it's a definition of an internal experience I have that I use to describe to myself and to others. It doesn't define me, because if something about my identity changed, then so would my label. It's less of a box I try to put myself into, and more something with the expectation that it could change. Our plurality is also like this.

Labels do define you imo

6:45 PM

Atleast to other people

6:46 PM

Labels help people categorize things, the issue is how fixated some people are on the labels

that's how you end up living on a map rather than the landscape

labels are useful

Seth || M&M

I feel like both sides can reach some sort of middle-ground. Labelling, but not focusing too heavily upon said label, or being willing to change your views on yourself or what your identity is independently of your pre-established labels.

like this

7:07 PM

focusing so heavily on labels is not too effective

7:08 PM

especially since identity labels are not typically well defined

I use more precise labels, but it's for my happiness, not for the approval of others.